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We then discussed the payment that they were not showing and I asked him how
they were going to pay me if they didn’t have my records?. Doug said that he
was still attempting to get my records from the Toledo office but that he was
told by the Toledo office of the IRS that they were still missing. I then
explained to Doug that my records being missing for 14 years was not an
accident. I told him that as far as I was concerned the Toledo office of the
IRS did this to me as a political favor and that they didn’t want my records to
ever be found. If they were, they would show that I was right, and that the IRS
had no reason whatsoever to do this to me. He then asked me for the names of
the people that I felt were involved. I told him that I didn’t trust him or the
Federal Government enough to do that before the book that I had written about
the whole experience with them came out. I told him that when the book was
finished that I would be more than happy to send him a free copy explaining
everything.
Doug asked me several questions about the Painting & Drywall business
and the ShuffleBowl game company and about the patent. We then talked about the
money I lost in the two businesses that the IRS felt necessary to destroy with
their interference, their tax liens, their seizing my bank accounts and the
seizure and sale of my patent and then the fact that the dirty bastards had to
punish me to the point of it costing me my family. Doug said that I would have
to sue the IRS to recover those damages.
Doug said that he would call me this Friday and tell me when I would receive
the first refund checks. He said that I would be paid over a 56 quarterly period.
When I asked him why 56 quarters, he replied that this was the schedule of how
the IRS decided that they were going to pay me. He gave me his phone number at
513-684-2029. This conversation was from 4:11 to 4:54 p.m.
On 03-19-99 at 4:45, Doug Cline called me at work. He asked me more
questions about the payments that I made to the Toledo office because my
records were still missing. I asked Doug why he didn’t just contact Lenna Kirby
or Ron Zilinski and ask them what they did with the money they took from my
bank account twice and the $8700 cashier check I gave to Lenna. I then asked
Doug how were they going to find my records if they had been destroyed. He
didn’t have an answer to that question. Doug said that Lenna Kirby had left the
IRS and that they couldn’t find her. He did say that he would contact Ron
Zilinski and see if he could help.
Doug said that he would call me next Friday, the 26th, if they had not found
my records in Toledo. He then stated that the IRS they would pay me a partial
refund until they found my records. He said that I would receive a check from
the IRS within seven days.
Well, on 03-22-99 I did receive some paperwork from the IRS but it was not
the refund checks as I was told. Instead it was a 941 form instructing me to fill
out my Employers Quarterly Federal tax return and send it in.
Then at 2:50 p.m. the same day, Ellen Kinker left a message at work for me
to call her.
At 3:00 p.m. I returned her call. Ellen told me that my records had been
destroyed so if I expected to get paid the amounts that they didn’t show I had
better have copies of those payments or I would not be paid. Ellen and I then
got into a heated disagreement when I asked her how the IRS was showing any
payments if all my records were missing or destroyed. How were they coming up
with the $20,000?
I then explained to Ellen that I had contacted Senator DeWine’s office for
help. I needed them to contact the IRS and pressure them to find those
payments. I also asked her why someone couldn’t contact Lenna Kirby and ask her
what she did with the money. Ellen said that she would not do that and that if
I couldn’t provide the IRS with copies of those payments that they were not
going to pay me. The conversation got real ugly when I told Ellen that she
sounded like she worked for the IRS and that with the attitude she had, how was
she going to help me? At this point there was no reason to go any further so I
told her thanks for her help but I was much better off doing this on my own.
After I cooled off, I called at 3:15 and left a message for Ellen to call me
back.
At 3:20 Ellen returned my phone call. I apologized to her for being short
with her but I was fed up with the run around I was getting as far as the
amounts the IRS was missing and about when I was going to receive any type of
refund. I then told her that if she was supposed to be the person helping me, I
was in a world of trouble because she was being anything but helpful. She was
extremely combative and she sounded more like the IRS than the IRS. I ended the
conversation by telling her thanks but no thanks, I ‘ll fight for myself by
coming out with the book and then I will take the IRS to court.
On 03-26-99, Doug Cline said that he would call me back with some answers
but he didn’t. So on 03-29-99 10:20, I called him. Doug said the reason he
didn’t call me back as promised was that they were still attempting to find my
records. He told me that he had talked with Ron Zilinski in the Toledo office
and that he had found $8000 of the $8700 I paid Lenna Kirby but that they were
applying it to the years 1981 through 1985. He said that they discovered that I
had sent in my tax returns for those years on time but I forgot to include the
payments.
I have to admit that when I heard this I became aggravated. I told Doug he
was out of his mind making a claim like that. I asked him why this issue had
never came up before? I continued by informing him that the IRS had never made
the claim, not even in Bankruptcy court, that I owed personal back taxes, this
was a subcontractor issue and that they had lost on that issue. I told him that
we both knew there was no way in hell the IRS would allow anyone to just file
their forms and not pay their taxes for over five years and not go after them.
We both knew that was bullshit. He then agreed that the IRS would never allow
that to go on that long without doing something. He then said that he would
look into it.
Doug quickly tried to change the subject but telling me that the first
refunds should be around $20,000. I asked him again, how were they coming up
with a number if my records were missing or had been destroyed, how were they
figuring out what amount of money they owed me? He did not have an answer for
that. I told Doug again that $20,000 was only the beginning, that the IRS owed
me a lot more than $20,000. I reminded Doug that he had told me that the IRS
was going to pay me within one per cent of the interest rate they charged me. I
asked Doug if he had a calculator and if he had run the numbers because if they
paid me as he said they would, the amount was over 44 million dollars and that
was only counting the money they took from me in the beginning. That wasn’t
counting the money they took from me after that. I also explained to him that
the IRS still owed me for the two businesses they destroyed and that I demanded
my patent back along with the full 17 years on the patent.
Doug quickly changed the subject again and told me that the IRS was holding
an IRS Problems Resoulation day on April 10th in Toledo and he
invited me to attend. He told me that he had some other people from the IRS he
wanted me to talk to. I told him that I was not interested in meeting with
anyone from the Toledo office because they were the cheating lying bastards
that did this to me in the first place. Doug said that I would not be meeting
anyone from the Toledo office. Then, believe it or not, Doug tells me that the
media would probably cover their Problem Solving Day . I told Doug that the
media would be the last people the IRS would want me to talk to. I told him
that before I gave him an answer I wanted to talk to Jerry Hill, my C.P.A., and
ask if he would attend with me. I told Doug that I would call him back with an
answer.
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